Hold onto Your Butts, "Jurassic Park" with Jordan Kennedy
Host Lyndsey McPherson and guest Jordan Kennedy discuss the Spielberg classic "Jurassic Park," could vs. should, and how Jurassic Park and TikTok/Twitter are essentially the same.
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Lyndsey: [00:00:00] Hi everyone, and welcome to episode 11 of Epilogues and Epiphanies, a show where we'll explore questions about life, the universe, and being human through the lens of TV and film. In today's episode, we'll be discussing the Spielberg Classic Jurassic Park with special guest Jordan Kennedy. Jordan is a friend from college and he was one of my husband's apartment mates during our time in college together.
Lyndsey: And I think this is a really interesting and fun conversation. You know, I always say we are gonna look at the universe and being human, um, on this podcast, and up until this episode, most of our subjects and questions have centered around human emotional experience and we definitely still get into some of that as well.
Lyndsey: But there's a lot more. Big universe type questions in this one, and I hope you'll enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed having this conversation. We get into some great questions about personal responsibility. There's a lot more of [00:01:00] philosophical questions than this one. Um, and the responsibility of knowledge and also TikTok and Twitter.
Lyndsey: So without further ado, let's go. Thanks for joining us again, everybody. I have Jordan Kennedy with me today, and we're gonna be talking about Jurassic Park. So I'll let Jordan kind of introduce him. Self. Yeah, sure.
Jordan: Yeah. No, my name's Jordan. I know Lyndsey through college. She started dating my best friend at the time and ended up marrying the guy.
Jordan: So we met through, we met through through Matt. And it's weird because of all of the people I talk to or don't talk to from college, I talk to you the most now. Yeah. It's really strange. If you didn't 19 year old me, who I would talk to you from college, Lyndsey Hammond would not have been on my list. Yeah.
Jordan: No. Even close. You didn't even like me. No, I, no, I didn't. Yeah. This liking you is a three year recent thing,
Lyndsey: but Yeah. No, you had said that's gonna be who you're talking to in 10 years, Lyndsey, she'd be like, whoa. What kind of [00:02:00] choices am I making? Yeah. What's going on?
Jordan: Sure. That's a, that's, that's really funny to, to think about.
Jordan: So funny. But I guess that's a good descriptor of who I am as a person since you asked about tell me about me. Yeah. Yeah. All
Lyndsey: gas, no breaks. I think that's why we get along cuz I'm kind of similar in that regard. I'm either all gas or all break. Sure, sure, sure there is. I really care about it. Or don't even talk to me cuz I don't, it's not worth my brain space.
Lyndsey: So, yeah, no,
Jordan: that's, that's really fair. So, yep. But I, yeah, thanks for having me on here to talk about it. And you know, I listened to a couple of these and was like, oh man, that's really neat to just sit and talk to your friend about a
Lyndsey: movie. Right. And uh, that was my whole thing. Yeah. I was like, I can create a thing that gives me an excuse to be like, hello friend, we are going to talk about what I would like to talk about today.
Lyndsey: Yeah. And here we go.
Jordan: So, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
Lyndsey: Oh, it's been really fun. Yeah. It's been like super fun to have an excuse to cuz like, If I just said, Hey, [00:03:00] Jordan, can I call you and can we talk about Jurassic Park for an hour? You'd be like, yeah, that's a little odd lens. Yeah, maybe, maybe. No, it's kind of weird,
Jordan: but I would, I would probably accept, but be very concerned that it wasn't about Jurassic Park and be like, what is this code for?
Jordan: Yeah. Like, is she safe? Like, I don't know what that means, you know? Because
Lyndsey: be all right. But, so with this, 30 year old movie, what is your 30 seconds or less, or you're as told by you or described badly version of whichever way you wanna go with it, of Jurassic Park. Sure.
Jordan: Yeah. So the I, the way I think of Jurassic Park is these really good people get hounded in by dirty billionaire.
Jordan: They take these things that the universe made, spit in the universe's face, and mix them with humans, and then are surprised that it doesn't work out well. That's, that's the way to look at Jurassic Park is it's, it's a story about capitalism and it's spinning in the universe's face, and that's so, yeah.
Jordan: Bad, bad man takes good thing and makes it [00:04:00] bad. Mm-hmm. Is the, Yeah, it's
Lyndsey: the plot summary that's pretty, pretty accurate. Yeah. Billionaire spits in universe's face chaos ensues. Yeah.
Jordan: Yeah, yeah. That's the I MDB
Lyndsey: tag. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, pretty true for sure. I, this is such a, I don't know why I like this movie so much.
Lyndsey: I really don't. I, I really, but I do. I love it. It's one of my favorites. It's, and I wasn't even old enough to watch. It wasn't like a, I remember when it came out. Sure. Because we were two. We were two. Not really. Yeah, two year old friendly material. This is not Barney situation, so you know, it was a little different, but I just remember watching it later probably in like junior high and just being like really intrigued by, I think it's, I think it's the fact that like it's a simple story.
Lyndsey: And in terms of the plot is not hard to figure out, but it's effective. It's engaging the whole way through. [00:05:00] There's characters you can root for. The effects are really legit. The sound, they're very good. They're very good. Yeah, the sound is awesome. I remember always caring about those kinds of things, even as a kid.
Lyndsey: Does this movie sound cool? Yes. Okay. I'm in. I might be terrified because it sounds too cool, but Yeah. Yeah. Too real. It was a little too real, but it was fun. So I just, I think it was, it's hilarious to me, though. Why were we so in on dinosaurs back then? As a, as a, I don't know. As a people what was happening?
Lyndsey: Yeah.
Jordan: I, I, yeah, I think about that all the time. So like, Jurassic Park isn't a core childhood memory for me. Mm-hmm. I don't think the first time I watched it was until May, maybe college with Matt. That's funny. I, I didn't like grow up on Jurassic Park or love it or anything, you know? Mm-hmm. I liked it once I saw it.
Jordan: Obviously it's a top a hundred movie of all time in my, you know. Mm-hmm. But I don't know. What about like, Ari, I remember having dinosaur books. I remember, you know, I wanted to be, uh, I wanted to study dinosaur bones as a kid. That's what [00:06:00] everybody wanted to do. Everybody
Lyndsey: I did, there's a, there is a Power of Knowledge commercial somewhere for like the local cable company.
Lyndsey: That my school participated in and I was in the, what was it called? Enrichment program. So like I was part of the commercial. Mm-hmm. It was about the power of knowledge and I am, the commercial was all of us kids taking turns, like closing this locker and turning around and saying what we wanted to be when we grew up.
Lyndsey: And we were like wearing clothes that were, you know, related to that profession. And I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up. That's awesome. Yeah. And I did it in one take, and they were like, I thought this little kid was gonna stumble over the world paleontologist. And I was, you don't know me. So everyone else was like, I wanna be a history teacher.
Lyndsey: I wanna be a carpenter, I wanna be boring me. I was gonna be a paleontologist. Prove the law. My next monster still existed. Find boom. The bones of, what was it, Davy Crockett, probably. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. I was gonna solve all the [00:07:00] world's mysteries. Just, geez.
Jordan: I know, right after finding Atlantis, you know, you had it
Lyndsey: that was on there.
Lyndsey: That was on the ride just before lunch. That movie just hadn't come out yet, so it got added to the list later, but Sure, sure. But yeah, no, I had big plans and then I don't really know what happened. I think I just was kind of over dinosaurs like everyone else was at a certain point and it just, yeah, we just stopped.
Lyndsey: We just we're done and we just moved on to, I don't know what. But what, what was after that? Well, that was when
Jordan: dreams started to die. You know, that whenever Dinosaur Dream died, that was when you realized, I'm gonna work at a desk. Oh, for the rest of
Lyndsey: my life, you know, that was Oh, didn't known that for a long time.
Lyndsey: I, I didn't, I, okay. I was not a, like, I'm gonna be a, I was the five year old though, that would, you asked me what I wanna be, when I'm gonna grow up, and I'm, that's a tall order of a question. Like, oh gosh. Okay. Of course you were, I was like, I'm five. There's no way I really know. Like, sure. And like, uh, most of us aren't ballerinas cuz most of our parents aren't ballerinas and I don't really like to dance now, so like, [00:08:00] I'm not gonna be that kind of thing.
Lyndsey: Like I was that kid and sure. I, okay. That makes way more sense. I never knew what I wanted to be when I grow up. Still don't. But it's fine. So yeah, so I don't know what the dream was after paleontology. I think I just fell back into the abyss of why are you all asking me? I am a child. Like, what? Like, man,
Jordan: that's heavy.
Jordan: That's some existential dread for a child. Dude.
Lyndsey: You know, I was just like a hot mess of a kid because I was too smart for my own good. Sounds like it. So, um, it's, you know, put bad with that. You're in a unique
Jordan: situation too, right? Like mm-hmm. You're self aware and that's a problem. Yeah. Unfortunately,
Lyndsey: you know, I wish I was so much less self-aware.
Lyndsey: Like, I mean, smart people
Jordan: are sad. It's upsetting. You know, I,
Lyndsey: it's like, why do we get punished?
Jordan: I, I don't know about you, but I wonder all the time, would I rather be like dumb and like ignorant to like I do think about,
Lyndsey: go back forth the whole time. I do think about that. I, yeah. That there, there is a, I'm gonna get real [00:09:00] nerdy.
Lyndsey: You wouldn't know. There's a, there's a burden of enlightenment that Yeah. And you can't go back. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's done. Yeah. And it's, you are, you know, the way you were living and thinking before was wrong. But you're kind of pissed because it was easier and more comfortable, and you're annoyed that other people just get to live in that bubble.
Lyndsey: But yeah,
Jordan: it's like it's upsetting. It's very upsetting.
Lyndsey: It's very upsetting to know too much or know enough or just know things. I think there is some of that to talk about though, you know? This knowledge is a burden and a responsibility. I, I think that ties into, you know, the theme of Jurassic Park a little bit.
Lyndsey: I was even thinking about like, you know, there's this, there's scientists involved, obviously, and they are being funded by this guy who has, who has a purpose and an agenda, but they're like, but I, but the science. But like, yeah, honestly, [00:10:00] like even the qu, I just got into the whole like, And thinking about medical research and like, um, you know, even the questions that we ask in science are funded because people have to think of what's the question that's gonna make my research even possible or fundraise.
Lyndsey: Yeah. So there's stuff that we don't even look at because, and it's tough
Jordan: cuz politics get so wrapped up into this too and people get, give the NIH a hard time cuz of who they give grants to and you're like, oh, they researched some weird stuff, you know, but it's. They've reached research, weird stuff that we probably need answers to for a bunch of other reasons.
Jordan: Mm-hmm. How much better would Jurassic Park have been if it just had a government grant? From the part, the Department of the Interior or
Lyndsey: something, you know, like Yeah. It wouldn't have been a theme park with malfunctioning computer gates in an underfunded tech department, that's for sure. Right, right. I think, you know, I was thinking about, so I, I'll just, I'll just, you know, my podcast is an honest podcast.
Lyndsey: Full disclosure, this is a different kind of movie we're talking about. Yeah. [00:11:00] And I was, Hey, where do you see yourself in this movie? Where everyone gets chased by dinosaurs, screaming along with everyone else. So, yeah. Yeah. But really a little super discussion kind of question. So as I have done for basically every question or conundrum in my life lately, I used my new personal assistant chat, j p t, and so it spit out some questions, but the one of them that they asked was, what's the theme?
Lyndsey: And I think the theme has always felt to me like, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you can. Get dinosaur blood apparently from a mosquito and make real dinosaurs. But should you, should
Jordan: you, should you? Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you wrote that in the show notes because in my note on my notepad for this one, I have could slash should written down and with a question mark and I, no.
Jordan: Again, this is spinning in the universe's face. We don't even need to answer the, should we know the should, should you absolutely not. And even if it is good, once or twice, it'll become a soulless cash grab [00:12:00] 30 years later. And when it goes to the theaters, it's a, yeah, it's a meta commentary, but Oh my gosh.
Jordan: Yeah. No, of course
Lyndsey: not. The last one was so bad. It was terrible. I laughed. It was terrible in the theater in a moment that was meant to be very serious. I was cackling out loud because Laura d is sneaking around this facility, doing this little sneak walk, and I was like, you are, you have like four degrees and you're like crouching down thinking the cameras can't see you.
Lyndsey: Like this is so stupid. Yeah. Like what? Yeah. You're
Jordan: a very smart woman in the first episode. You know, you're, yeah. You are the leader of this intere,
Lyndsey: heavily intelligence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hmm. They were, these really smart people were, were sneaking and they were doing a real bad job, and I was just, I can't with this.
Lyndsey: And also it was more about bugs. It was more about bugs who said, yeah, yes, please. A dinosaur movie, but no dinosaurs. Mostly Bugs. Bugs,
Jordan: please. Yeah, that's what I think of Bug
Lyndsey: Park. Yeah. Oh, no, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. Park Pass. No, I [00:13:00] did like when the first Jurassic World came out, I thought that one was pretty Okay.
Lyndsey: It's the same movie, but yeah. But I was fine with it. I felt it was, it was a nostalgia trip. Yeah, it was a, it was a nostalgia. Well done. Well executed, and then they milked it for all it was worth, and it's just, okay, fine. But. You know? Yeah, it's, it's fun. And that's what these movies are obviously, you know, we're talking about the really heavy themes, but they're, the reason we like them is not because they make us feel bad about the state of like science in the world.
Lyndsey: We like them because there are dinosaurs and there are like people trying to solve this problem and you know, the hero's journey of will they make it out alive? And they do, and no children are really harmed. I mean, yes, there's. Definitely trauma. I hope Hammond pays for everyone's counseling, but it's the nineties, so he probably doesn't even know they need it.
Lyndsey: Oh yeah. But, but
Jordan: those kids are cooked, by the way. Those kids still stay a chance.
Lyndsey: Yeah, physically they're, physically, they're okay. Mostly prob maybe. Hmm. Central nervous system is a little toasted for sure, but they're late
Jordan: forties, [00:14:00] early fifties now they're not handling it well. Mm-hmm. You know, the adults that those children became, Oh, not doing great.
Jordan: That's so sad. And yeah, it's very sad. Yeah, actually that's probably not a fun direction to take this.
Lyndsey: Yeah, trauma, you know, trauma is real. Deal with it. Please. That's
Jordan: Yeah. Go, go get help. Please. Please do it. Yeah, please do. It'll be, you'll be glad you did. Yeah, for sure. You know, it's funny cuz you and I have both spent.
Jordan: Our lives surrounded by a lot of theologians, other smart people that interpret text, lots of, lots of reader types, right? Mm-hmm. That read meaning into things. Mm-hmm. And I thought while I was reading this or watching this, I was like, in anticipation for your show, am I reading things into this that aren't here because I want to have something to talk about?
Jordan: Mm. And you kind of made me think about that a little bit with the, what heavy themes are at play and chat. G p T gives us the chaos theory and you know, humans playing God and stuff, dad, and it's man. Is that in? Is that in there? Or do we just want it to be, or is it really just about, Hey, what if? What if man and dinosaurs were together?
Jordan: How could that get wrong? You [00:15:00] know? And I don't know. I got worried about, there's maybe
Lyndsey: spiel about that. Yeah.
Jordan: Yeah. I don't know if I'd call it pretentious, so much as just we like to talk about things in that way. Like, you know, to
Lyndsey: make things matter. They're Yeah. Meaning making. Yeah. Well, if that's what we're, that's what we do.
Lyndsey: We make meaning matters. Yeah. If they, we
Jordan: didn't, life would be miserable. Right. So For sure, for sure. But yeah, I worried about that a lot. But ultimately, I. I don't think it totally matters because we have a task to do anyway and we're gonna try to make our lives better. But I thought about that a lot, especially in the context of, we do that with lots of things in our life and whether it be like religion or politics or education, like we put things there that we're just like not even close to like meant to be there.
Lyndsey: Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. No, I personally, I assign weight and morality to a lot of things that there's no, I mean, some of that is learned. Some of that is at this point, just the way my brain functions and I'm working on unfunctioning it that way. But there's. There's a lot of, oh, I'm bad for [00:16:00] doing that, or I'm bad for not doing that.
Lyndsey: Yeah, and it's, it's a, it's a thing that literally has no moral value outside, whatsoever. Outside of context, my house being messy is not a statement of my moral, anything as a human. But in my head it really is. Sure. And it's, you know, so I, yeah, we, we make, I think we make meaning because we have to, to, you know, make things matter enough to do something about things sometimes, you know?
Lyndsey: So.
Jordan: Yeah. I mean, that's true too. Yeah. Otherwise we're just hurdling on a rock through space and nothing matters.
Lyndsey: So I get that. Yeah. I don't, I don't love the Nothing matters. I feel there's, that's another I, I totally tracked with what you were saying about, you know, am I just assigning too much meaning to, is this just like Spielberg saying that's a fun idea, let's go.
Lyndsey: Because I mean, that, that would be a very Spielberg thing. To do like, like, I don't know if there's meaning to eat tea. I, I'm not sure there is, but you know, but he might've just been like, what if [00:17:00] there was a weird wrinkly thing in your backyard? What would happen? And, and you know, and then we turn it into this whole thing.
Lyndsey: But, uh, yeah, no, I get that for sure. But I also on the other hand, am never gonna be the person that's like, nothing matters, because to me, I. I probably default too far to the opposite of every single thing I do or don't do matters way more than sure it actually does. So I'm learning to find that what are the things that have meaning and should have meaning, and what are the things that can just be stupid?
Lyndsey: Don't worry about it if you don't wanna worry about it today.
Jordan: Sure. What's fake versus intrinsic to our existence kind of deal. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You should start a podcast where you analyze film and media in search of that question. You could call it like epiphanies and epilogues. Or epilogues and epiphanies, whichever one you like better.
Jordan: I,
Lyndsey: yeah, I'll play around with that idea for sure. Kick it around. Kick it around. Yeah. See what happens. Yeah, maybe 20 people will listen to it. That's about where I'm [00:18:00] at. I hope those, Hey, that's 20 people are enriched and appreciate it and that it brightens their day and that they think new things. That is my goal.
Lyndsey: And honest
Jordan: God you're creating, which is a fun Jurassic Park theme. Yeah. Yeah. Creating is good. Yeah. I think at its core. Mm-hmm. And are we responsible for the results of our creation? That's a fun question that Dress Park asks. Hmm. Is Dr. Hammond responsible for the result of his creation?
Lyndsey: I think he is the largest cog in the machine of what?
Lyndsey: Led to the creation of the dinosaurs, which if they didn't exist, they couldn't break free and create chaos and trauma for a whole bunch of people. And you know, I'm sure ecosystem crises in ways that aren't really talked about and that kind of stuff. So, Yeah, I think, but do we really know why he wanted to [00:19:00] do this?
Lyndsey: Is that a thing we know? Because cuz everybody always, that's my whole thing. I'm always, but what's under the hood of that? A person might be straight up crazy, but they have some crazy logic that made them make that choice. Yeah. It might be flawed, but I wanna know what it is. So, yeah,
Jordan: I, I agree with that a lot.
Jordan: I agree with that. A lot of, we look at people in media and go, that person's nuts and, but it probably had a reason. Mm-hmm. And honestly, if you, if a person that holds. A similar view isn't doing that thing. They might be the illogical one. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. It's, it's, it's kind of, it's kind of wild to think about.
Jordan: Radicalism isn't so radical from a logical point of view. No. It's just how much you actually believe, what you're radical about, you know? So, so I don't know. What was the A plus B that equaled the thing you said? Yes. Yeah, exactly. What, what factor result? Yeah. Yeah. That's a great question.
Lyndsey: Yeah. Cuz I wanna know what's the A plus B that equals I'm gonna fund a dinosaur park.
Jordan: It was money. Right. Do we, because they have the investor there and he's talking 2000 to [00:20:00] 10,000 a
Lyndsey: day that that lawyer for the company. So him and the company. I, yeah. Cuz that was the other thing. When I watched this, we, we rescheduled this, but when I watched it the first time for us to talk about this, I was, oh, that guy's the lawyer, Jordan's the lawyer.
Lyndsey: That's kind of funny that there's a lawyer, a lawyer character in this movie and he's kind of. Unique.
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah. Not the greatest guy. Yeah. Yeah. I, I thought about that a lot and I was, lemme do I see myself in this guy. Cause that was one of your questions of, do I, do I see myself in this dude? I, I don't think so.
Jordan: Ultimately, I have some moral niche lawyer opinions about this character, but ultimately I'm not profit driven guy and this guy really seems to be, and so he's really active about it. I did find the relationship between him and Hammond really interesting. And the, at the beginning of the movie until the very end.
Jordan: Or I'm sorry, until it starts to fall apart, I should say. Mm-hmm. He's, man, the lawyer sucks. The lawyer's miserable. That guy's a pain. And I, and I get that part we're looked at as [00:21:00] drags a lot of the time. Right. But, and then, and then they get to where things are starting to fall apart a little bit socially.
Jordan: And he's, even the blood sucking lawyer gets it. Why don't you guys, and I thought that was a really interesting man. All of the people you respect don't. Agree with you and the one person that you know has values antithetical to yours. Yeah. You know, I thought, I thought that was really interesting
Lyndsey: to explore of he was married dog with bone with that idea.
Jordan: Yeah. If all of your friends are telling you you're wrong, You really have a burden to overcome to show that you're right. Yeah. And if the person you think is morally bankrupt thinks what you're doing is okay, let's just take a breath and the value of our life, you know? Yeah. That takes
Lyndsey: back, oh, that was really interesting.
Lyndsey: Back to that point earlier, a little bit though, about self-awareness, though, that takes some self-awareness. Some people, I have learned the, the, the vastness of the vacuum of lack of self-awareness that some people can have. And it is astonishing, truly. It's almost, they could walk into a room and cuss you out and you could say, Hey, you were a [00:22:00] little much there, and they'd, what are you talking about?
Lyndsey: And mm-hmm. And they just don't see it. And, So I don't, yeah, Hammond's really lacking some, but, but again, if you have money, do people ever check you normally? And so you kind of always get told Yes. Sometimes if you're hammed where you're the guy in charge and everyone's, you know, money ticket and you know Yeah.
Lyndsey: You get used to people telling you Yes. So you assume I have really good ideas all of the time. I am right all of the time. And then you don't know how the first time
Jordan: he checks with an ethicist is after he's done. You know? Yeah. That's the fir the first time he starts to think I should get some experts on whether this is good involved.
Jordan: No, the lawyers
Lyndsey: ask him to, they're ready to open. The lawyers ask him to, because they're worried about liability. Oh, that's right. It's an insurance thing, right? Yep. It's not even him. Yeah, it's not even him.
Jordan: Yeah, man. So he wouldn't have done it if not for Nope. He
Lyndsey: would've gone liability protection. Hey, let's go.
Lyndsey: And there could have been a hundred people there that all got eaten. Is
Jordan: Dr. Hammond [00:23:00] kind of just a tragic victim of his own optimism? Is he EDUs, you know, or No, that's not Oedipus who flew too close to the sun. Mm-hmm. Which one of them flew too close to the sun? It was ICARs. S Ous. EDUs did something else.
Jordan: That's right. Caris flew too close to the Sun
Lyndsey: Edip. I wonder if he's, I wanna look that up afterwards and No, I remember.
Jordan: I remember. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Mother's Day's right around the corner. Everybody call you mom. Yeah. Yeah. Ick. I wonder if he has an ICARs thing of hell yeah. He just got excited and he ha he could, so he did.
Jordan: Mm-hmm. And yeah, he, you know, I, so I, I think he's evil. I think he's responsible. I think he's a policy failure from our world and government, but as a person, I don't know that I.
Lyndsey: I don't think he's a bad person. I think he, yeah, I think, I think he had, I think if he truly was able to believe that bad things were going to happen, I don't think he would've done it, but I don't think he Right.
Lyndsey: Would entertain that [00:24:00] thought. Um, and I think because of a lot of those systemic factors of the type of person that he was, And the type of mental processing he did or didn't do about it. He just, I mean, cause honestly, he's a pretty nice guy. I mean, so yeah. So probably up to this point. He has been right and has had good ideas and has probably been really kind to people.
Lyndsey: Yeah. So he's not completely unfounded in his backstory of I have good ideas and, but this one just was way out there. And he, yeah, he did because he could, and people continued with their pattern of like, well, he's a really good guy. And it probably honestly affected them feeling they were justified, maybe even in giving feedback a lot of times, cuz, oh, I know him to be a generous, good person.
Lyndsey: Maybe I just don't understand, you know? So, yeah, I mean, I think it's, if
Jordan: you spent half a billion dollars on a project and then someone comes in and tells you, Hey, this is a disaster. We need to blow this island up, I, he took it as well as one [00:25:00] could. Yeah, I imagine. Probably, you know, he took it as well as, Hey, you just wasted a lot of money.
Jordan: It's tragic because think about what that money could have done. You know, you probably could have watered Africa. Oh my God. But instead, you, you suckered me into 30 years of disappointment on a movie franchise. Oh my gosh. But, you know, so that's, that's kind of the, that's where I get into, is he a bad guy?
Jordan: I, I don't know. That's tough to judge. Mm-hmm. People buy that standard. But at the same time, I don't know, I think as common people were asked to, right, right. So, I don't
Lyndsey: know. Yeah. I think it comes back to our, our thought of understanding the A, the A plus B for everyone, whether or not it's ours. Yeah. I think for him, understanding that that's his personal perspective and experience and you know, we're working with what we've got.
Lyndsey: He was working with what he had. And it was, was a different, different seat, different perspective. I mean, who's to say what I would do if I could do it? I don't know. I, I've, I've never had anywhere [00:26:00] near that much to play with, so
Jordan: Yeah.
Lyndsey: It's fair. Yeah, it's fair too. I mean, it's. Uh, it's very messy, I feel, because, because it, to me, it always comes down to yes, you're still responsible for the outcome of your actions, but your intentions matter a lot.
Lyndsey: I think when it comes to that, you have a good
Jordan: point. You're talking about, you, you, you've never had that, that, that acc the access to that many resources and no, you're not sure what you would do with how you would respond, and maybe those forces would. Change how you think you would
Lyndsey: respond. Right. I've never had, I've never had that many, that much resources.
Lyndsey: I've also never had that much feedback on anything I've done ever. You know, cuz I've never done anything on that big of scale that could have that much impact on that many people. Sure. So I think there's. There's a lot of layers to that. And again, I don't think it by any means it justifies or excuses the repercussions of decisions made.
Lyndsey: But I do think that there [00:27:00] is something to be said for a person's true intentions and you know, if they can learn from a mistake and own it, that means a lot, I think versus. If they're just kind of, I can do whatever I like. That's interesting.
Jordan: Yeah. That's interesting cuz I think what we initially talked about is he to blame.
Jordan: You were. Absolutely. Do you still feel that way after we talked it out a little bit? Or do, would you say yes but, or would you say Nah, maybe not?
Lyndsey: I would say yes, but. I think he, he is responsible for the outcome of his actions, but I don't believe he had malicious intentions, so I don't think he's a bad person.
Lyndsey: I think he did something that had a really bad impact and he's still responsible for that. But I don't think it was his intention based on the limited knowledge I have of this character, that his intention was ever to hurt people. Sure. So,
Jordan: okay. That's fair. And I, and I for I agree with you. I just was curious on how you came out on it after chatting it [00:28:00] through.
Jordan: No, we've beat the capitalism thing to death. You sure
Lyndsey: is. We sure as heck have the,
Jordan: the one thing that I kept, but I think this movie is very much about that. If, if we wanted to impose themes in it Yeah. That we spare no expense line. I love it. Said so
Lyndsey: often, so much. I love it. Anytime I'm feeling a little bit bougie, we spared no expense.
Lyndsey: Just all the time.
Jordan: Let's get the express direct on DoorDash. We spare no expense. Yeah. That's the no expense. Yes. 2 99. Yes, please. Yeah.
Lyndsey: Yeah. Oh man. That's amazing. That's the perfect example of when, that's the perfect example of when,
Jordan: yeah. Early bird check in for my flight too much, but express direct delivery on DoorDash.
Jordan: Yeah. Scared oak
Lyndsey: beds. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. Yeah. I think this is technically not in the movie, it's in the series of movies. I think the evolution of Dr. Henry Wu is hilarious because he's good. He's in a sad, he's in a [00:29:00] sad man sweater. In the last movie, he's the same guy, but they have him in this, how do we make this guy look?
Lyndsey: Things have just gone bad and he's in a bad way. Let's put him in this really lumpy sweater and make him look really sad, even though his face is the same as it was 30 years ago. So funny. Yeah. Funny. That's that's incredible. Yeah. So funny.
Jordan: Yeah. They, they do a good job of showing the weight of what he's done on him.
Jordan: Yeah. Which is, he's the only
Lyndsey: character that I feel the weight, weight of the sweater. Yeah. It's, it's such a weird. It's such a weird outfit. I, that was another time when I laughed inappropriately at the mo, the latest movie in the theater. I just was, I was, it never had me once. I was super excited about it and then I got there and I was, this is garbage.
Lyndsey: So I guess I'll just have fun making fun of the garbage in, man. That's
Jordan: the best part of seeing a movie that you're excited for and realizing it's bad, is you try for 30 minutes and then you're, oh, no. [00:30:00] Oh God. Well, and then you're, you're a positive person in this regard cause you are. Well, I'll just, I'll just enjoy it for what it is, you know?
Lyndsey: Yeah. I'll just decide it's a comedy and enjoy their, if it were a parody, it'd
Jordan: be amazing.
Lyndsey: Yeah. Oh my God. I think I was just interpreting it as if it were a parody. That's what I did for the rest of it. I was, oh, look at Hershey's being so funny. Sneaking, and just all that weirdness and the bugs and Yes, please, more bugs.
Lyndsey: I wanted to see more bugs. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No. What are your favorite, let's, we can lighten this up a little bit. Okay. Sure. What's your, what, what do you think about this movie? What, do you have a favorite scenes do you have? I mean, we talked about the effects and stuff, but Yeah. So
Jordan: the first time that I am blanking on his name now, the, the main male paleontologist.
Jordan: Oh yeah. Main character. The heck's his name. Yeah. Well, him, okay. The first time we see, yeah. We can dub in his voice. Well, I see. We, it'd be you, but I don't know why I'm, yeah, yeah. Lyndsey will [00:31:00] fix this. Yeah. Okay. Yikes. So he, there's the first time he sees the dinosaur. The, I think it's a STE store that they see for the first time.
Jordan: Right. And the look of awe and wonder on his face. And then he sees the birds flying over at he's Oh yeah. They fly in a pack. That genuine excitement of, or, or No, it was the, I'm sorry. It was the, the some, some dinosaur was running is they run in a pack, you know? Mm-hmm. And the genuine excitement of this thing that I have longed to do or see paying off and getting to see that.
Jordan: Mm-hmm. You know, it like
Lyndsey: was really a thing that was not going to pay
Jordan: off. Oh yeah. You're never gonna know if your work is real. Right? Right. But for him, that's the
Lyndsey: best. Actually, he was studying a dead species. Yeah. Yeah. It was not gonna be what this dream was. Not success. What success?
Jordan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan: What is success for this guy? Right? So what is success for paleontology? Finding your own. Yeah. Right? Like if you do one skeleton in your career, it's huge, right? Yeah. So yeah, that whole wonder of I succeeded or, or my dream has come true, even that, [00:32:00] oh, this thing is beyond my wildest street country. That's so, I love it.
Jordan: I. That is, I feel that when I watch that mm-hmm. A lot of man, what is that thing for me in my life that I remember going, I wow. Then you know, there's probably a couple of moments that come back when I see Mary and my wife passing the bar exam moments where you're like, that was amazing. Yeah. And that, I feel those things whenever I watch him feel that.
Jordan: So I love that scene if only because it's the pinnacle of human life, right. Seeing this thing that you want is awesome.
Lyndsey: Yeah. No, that's, it's funny, you're, this dream is realized on, but his dream career is dead because why do you want dinosaur bones if they're alive? Hmm. Oh, I
Jordan: see. Yeah. Yeah. Why do we need paleontology?
Jordan: If we can just like, if we can
Lyndsey: a ride, look at it. A live one. Yeah.
Jordan: There's not elephant paleontologist, like we just go to the zoo. Yeah, let's
Lyndsey: go to the zoo. So he needs to be a zoologist now? I don't know. Yeah, maybe, right? Yeah. Maybe I don't. For me, I think I just generally [00:33:00] love Jeff Goldblum in this movie.
Lyndsey: He just, okay. He just makes my day. I love his, he's such an. Odd way of being in the world. Yes, that is, that makes me uncomfortable in a way that I, some people are weird and they're, they make me uncomfortable and I'm Please make it stop. And he is entertaining while making me uncomfortable in his oddity, and I just thoroughly enjoy it.
Lyndsey: So. I always think about the, it's from this movie, I think, where he's laying in the back of the, he's his shirt's mostly open. He's just very, yeah, I am Jeff Goldblum. And look at me, I look amazing in this movie. The what does he do? He's flirting with her with chaos theory and water drops on her hands. Yes, and I remember that so vividly.
Lyndsey: The tiny imperfections. They're microscopic. There's nothing really wrong with you, you know, this whole like whole microscopic, microscopic, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just. Just so funny, and he just had a he, he had it on lock from the start. This guy knew. I think this man showed up knowing he was [00:34:00] gonna get injured by a dinosaur.
Lyndsey: I think he knew. Okay. I, because this whole time he's like, this is just gonna be outta con. You have, you know, basically played with fire in the biggest way and it is going to burn the world down. And well, let's ride. You know, but I'm so amused. Let's see how it goes. Like, what way does the world burn?
Lyndsey: Let's go. And so he's there and he's just, he's just hysterical. I just. I think it's, so he's also kind of the only adult that maybe like has appropriate emotions except Laura Dern, he's the only male. Mm-hmm. Maybe that has appropriate emotions, I should say, because Alan Grant doesn't kids so much that he almost doesn't know how to help them when they might die and the the lawyer guy runs away and dies in a toilet and yeah, just.
Lyndsey: Hammond just, you know, sent his grandchildren off in a untested environment with big, scary monsters. That's some hubris right there with [00:35:00] strangers by the way. Strangers with strangers. Strangers and untested equipment, and big scary monsters. Hubris. Total hubris. Yeah. Yeah. That guy just did not think he could possibly fail, but yeah, no, Jeff Goldblum is fantastic in it.
Lyndsey: I think the kid actors do a really good job of being, oh my gosh, they're so being appropriately good, but nineties movies, kids could be annoying and I don't feel these kids were really that annoying. No. A lot of nineties movies are, I'm just, we're all kids This awful. Is this what I was, because this is terrible.
Lyndsey: But no, they're really palatable and kind of capable, tough and smart, and you know, they're. They're out there surviving. So yeah, I think they holding their trauma walls, building, building their trauma walls. Laura Dern is always Laura Dern, and she's so great. So yeah, I think my hope sometimes for these conversations is one, I just wanna have fun talking to my friends about movies and.
Lyndsey: Big ideas that I think [00:36:00] about, probably too much behind all these things, but two, to maybe show people that, you know, there's, there's more out there to be enjoyed and learned from than we think there
Jordan: is. You know how there's the trope that you never hurt kids in movies, at least
Lyndsey: even Spielbergs. Yeah. Yeah.
Lyndsey: Well, they Apparently trauma doesn't count. No. Oh, for sure.
Jordan: Not. We talked about that a lot. And I don't know why, like maybe that's just the era, right? Of trauma wasn't the
Lyndsey: No, it, no, it was not a concept. Nope. I a hundred percent no. It was, the kids cannot die or get physically injured. And it was more for, it was more for the parents in the audience than anything else.
Lyndsey: Because I think as a kid I was. In a lot of watching some of these movies, you know, trauma by proxy, you know? Oh my gosh, yeah. In that situation, I'm a kid and I'm tiny and that could happen to me. And you know, there was, I don't even remember what it was, but there were a couple, couple movies where it was just, it did that to me, where I imagined very vividly with my little [00:37:00] kid brain, what if that happened to me?
Lyndsey: And it was too much. Yeah. No, no, thanks. Yeah. No, it wasn't a concept for sure. I think only recently, honestly, I feel even since I graduated from my master's program, have, I felt culturally we've accepted the concept that trauma can be things other than physical and sexual abuse, that that is real. Your brain is wiring, can really be impaired and affected.
Lyndsey: By things that you know, aren't considered those, what we would call big T trauma. Okay. That's kind of a term that people use sometimes. So Big T trauma usually refers to physical or sexual abuse, rather than like something that's not physical or was an experience. Gotcha. Or you know, even being trapped
Jordan: in an amusement park, you know, the Jurassic Animals attack you and violence and seeing all that kind of stuff.
Jordan: Sure.
Lyndsey: Okay. I'm with you. I don't know though, maybe that one gets a big tea. I don't, there's no, there's no, there's no DSM criteria for that [00:38:00] one. For when you were chased by dinosaurs, but yeah, no, that, that would technically be, I think little T trauma. Little T trauma.
Jordan: Yeah. Little, little T Rex trauma. Um, oh my God.
Jordan: Probably not enough. It's probably not an appropriate pun at all. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
Lyndsey: I think it was fantastic because you know what, there's not a person alive today with T-Rex Trauma, so. At least real. That's a good point. Who could be offended? Who you gonna making mad Jordan? It's fine. Exactly.
Jordan: Yeah.
Jordan: Who are you offending on behalf of? Think about that. Yeah, I thought about about the kids and then I thought about one of the questions before we decided that Jurassic Park was a weird case study was what does it mean to be human right? And what does, what does that mean? We're really bad at predicting the consequences of our actions.
Jordan: The, this is such a monkey paws curls type of movie. Like what if there was a zoo for dinosaurs? Okay, here we go. You know, and I just kept thinking about, man, this is, yeah, we're bad at this as
Lyndsey: a [00:39:00] people. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay though. Just because we could, should be. Yeah. That, that whole thing, I think about that. On such a big level that I have to stop myself from thinking about it because honestly, modern life should not exist.
Lyndsey: Oh no. The way it had to happen for this to be brought about should not have happened ever. So we shouldn't have ever Oh yeah. Been able to get here or with. With modern society, even if we took a different path to get a lot of the things, not every single advancement in technology is not all of them, a lot of them, but not all of them are, you know, entangled in questionable morality from start to finish.
Lyndsey: But yeah, that doesn't mean. We didn't think about how might this affect us physically and developmentally as a species. If we change the way we engage with our environment substantially, and the answer is badly, it will affect us badly. Oh yeah. We are meant to be [00:40:00] physical beings that are moving around a lot in our day and we have made it so we don't have to move and actually, so that we can't move to do most of our jobs for most.
Lyndsey: Of the day, and this leads to depression, anxiety, isolation, all these things that just because we've basically designed culture and society in a way that is antithetical to the way our physicality was designed. To keep us alive and thriving, but we did it because we could, and it seemed fun and yeah, it seemed easier and some of them solved real problems, medical advancements and all that kind of stuff, you know.
Lyndsey: But some of them, I don't know, man. I don't think we needed Facebook. I don't think we did.
Jordan: No. Yeah. No. We could have survived without Facebook, I promise. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, it's funny coming from the woman who chat g ptd our questions for tonight. I know, I know. You know, but No, but that's, that's part of the irony of life, right?
Jordan: You just do it and like [00:41:00] Chad, g p t bad for us as a species. Yeah. Like is TikTok bad for us as a people? Yeah. But do I have both of those things on my phone? Yeah. Why I, God, I don't know. TAC is, TikTok is bad for our braids, but so fun. But it's fun. I can watch, I can watch people dance. I can wa you know, watch the
Lyndsey: cats.
Lyndsey: Yeah. No, it's, yeah. But I think then too, the other side of it is, okay, and this is a metaphor I've used a lot in the last couple days, we're I'm one person, this is the plan. I'm not gonna fuck the system and change it. So if this is the world I have to live in, what's the best way I can do it? What's the best perspective I can have?
Lyndsey: What's the best use of these mediums I can have? And there's tools we can use in more positive ways. I, there's a lot of negative and weird stuff on TikTok. I personally mostly follow new girl memes and Taylor Swift stuff for the most part. And then, What's the other thing? [00:42:00] There's something else. Oh, now I'm starting to see dog videos because I posted one.
Lyndsey: Yeah. But, but mostly it's those really frivolous things. But there are some dark, there's some dark trails that you can get stuck on. Yeah. In in TikTok, some angry ones, but yeah. Yeah.
Jordan: It's weird. The Internet's weird now. It was in 2013. It was so whimsical. You know? It was, it was an those weird stuff on the internet.
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah, it really was. It really was. So the, the guy that made Reddit had a really interesting, this is so far afield from Jurassic Park. I understand. Had a really interesting thing about Yeah, yeah. Right. About how and the two thousands, so about 20 13, 20 15, the internet was kind of this accessory, an obscure place.
Jordan: Mm-hmm. That things happened. We, we weren't super active on it. Mm-hmm. At the time, it was weird that I was staying up late to watch video games on the internet, and now that's all the kids are doing, you know? Yeah. And so it was this weird side thing that sometimes made our lives a little bit better.
Jordan: Mm-hmm. But now [00:43:00] it's where people meet. Yeah. And it is the de facto town square. Yep. And that is so troubling from you sell every time you click on an Instagram story. It's somebody's coolest day of their life. Right. And a big moment happening. Mm-hmm. And you're just in your office or at your house and you're fuel crap and you are having a bad day.
Jordan: And oh, this person's living a life. And then the next one is someone that's living a life, you know? And that feels bad until, you know, we just weren't built to see life
Lyndsey: that way. Well, we have two, we our brains were, I think, I'm sure other people have said it, but Brene Brown said on one of her podcast episodes, our brains were meant for a village.
Lyndsey: Level knowledge and we now have access to the universe. Sure. And so we we're not meant to process things in this way, the comparative upward comparison we used to be comparing to our peers. Okay. And now we have a broader range. That gap is bigger. Yeah. And that causes a lot of issues for people. The one that drives me up the wall is the filters, because I think about teenage girls and that they're literally getting [00:44:00] face dysmorphia because they don't what their face looks without a filter, cuz they.
Lyndsey: See it and I'm, that, that one breaks me. But yeah, it's all these things. Well, yeah, you can make this app, you can do this thing, you can make a park filled with dinosaurs, or you can make TikTok, you can, you know, all these kinds of things. And we just say, yes, we can. And we all, and we all just take 'em on.
Lyndsey: And then most of the time we. We don't realize the impact that they are having negative impact or take the time to, how do I, it took me a really long time to realize Instagram was not helping my mental health. It took me. A minute to realize, hey, there's some things you're doing that are affecting the way you're feeling about things.
Lyndsey: Maybe you should adjust your behavior or adjust your engagement. You know what I mean? We just kind of adopt things and we just do them cuz everyone's doing them and we don't really check the impact of, yeah, this new technology, this new thing, or whatever it is. Or even just is this way of [00:45:00] life for me.
Lyndsey: You know, it could be outside of technology, we just kind of adopt things. And back to self-reflection. We're not really questioning that. We might be doing something or we might be a factor in the problem.
Jordan: And did I do this intentionally or is it just the thing that I do now, you know? Yeah. Is a big theme of my life.
Jordan: I feel deleting Facebook was the best thing I've ever done. Yeah, it's, I was so mad the whole time, but we being mad, pe human beings love being mad. I don't know what it is. It's great
Lyndsey: we to feel things.
Jordan: Yeah. And I guess that's a good point. We were really numb to every other feeling. We really are. So anger is a very real,
Lyndsey: it's a safe, yeah.
Lyndsey: Culturally justifiable emotion. Especially for men, you know, a, a lot of. Emotional expression and feeling is not there's, where are you gonna feel that? Where are you gonna express that? What, what place do you have sure to feel deep sadness or giddy excitement or, you know, whatever it is. Where culturally are you allowed to full on, have that emotion?
Lyndsey: We [00:46:00] don't have those spaces, and guys especially don't have those spaces, so there's a dampener on everything, but I can be mad and if there's something, even, heck, if it's morally, then I'm allowed to feel mad and I can tap into all this emotional energy that doesn't have anywhere else to go and it's, it's not good.
Lyndsey: That's another fall of anxiety. But, you know, but I think, I think being conscious of it, you know, you were conscious of me being angry is not the way, it's not, it's not. Yeah. It ain't it not how I wanna live, live my life.
Jordan: Yeah. Right. It ain't it. Yeah. It's not how I wanna live for my life. This is about Jurassic Park, about how he's mad.
Jordan: Th they gave him feedback. He is mad. They gave, gave feedback. Hey, I, we had a, you asked for our opinion, right? We gave it to you. Yeah. And you're mad about it cause it wasn't what you wanted. Mm-hmm. But we weren't rude, we just didn't say what you liked. Yeah. You know, and that's, and that's really tough. He was mad that he got feedback and Yeah.
Jordan: Before Facebook, God, could you imagine if they had Facebook and could tweet from the island or [00:47:00] whatever? Oh my gosh. Instagram selfies with the, with the T-Rex. Little, little filters with the bunny ears
Lyndsey: on or something. Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, that's, Yeah, it's, there is, I mean, because the, the fact of the matter is everything we're talking about is human experience and this movie has humans having experiences.
Lyndsey: So, you know, true podcast gets a little broad sometimes, but I don't think it's irrelevant. You know, it's, Still this idea of making decisions. He just made them for a lot of people we're talking about. Yeah. My use of technology that someone else invented, he recreated a species, and that's a whole island on earth that is messed up.
Lyndsey: Like people that are traumatized. So let
Jordan: me, let me push back on you. Who impacted more lives? In this hypothetical, Dr. Hammonds or Mark Zuckerberg. Oh, mark Zuckerberg, right? Yeah. We talk about, like, Dr. Hammond's made a decision for a lot of people to look, but bad. Yeah. Yeah. Twitter, God, you know, E even in [00:48:00] the end game, where in most recent Jurassic Park, where the world is destroyed, right?
Jordan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. By virtue of this, I don't see that being morally or metaly. That's our society, right? Mm-hmm. So like, mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Jurassic Park is Twitter.
Lyndsey: Yep. We're just, instead of dinosaurs, it's just digitally killing us on the inside. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Gosh.
Jordan: I'm always reinvigorated by my love of life when we talk,
Lyndsey: Lyndsey.
Lyndsey: Yes, I know. I'm super cheery, super
Jordan: cute. But dinosaurs are cool. This movie's cool cause you see dinosaurs. It is
Lyndsey: fun. It's so fun. Honestly, it's. For, for being, as you said, ascribing so much meaning and so much morality to the actions of these fake characters that never really did these things.
Jordan: Well, that's, you know, we talk about how Jurassic Park intend to have these themes where we just reading into them, we're probably reading into them, and then the way we've taken this conversation says a lot about us.
Jordan: Oh, for sure. Sure, for sure. You know? Yeah. The billionaires are evil and this is bad for humanity. Or it could [00:49:00] just be okay. It's kind of neat to make things, you know, we could have been really positive about it. It's true. Sometimes things go bad, but you should try, you know?
Lyndsey: No, there is something to that though.
Lyndsey: You mentioned earlier, you kind of tied it into the, the creating and I, I do think, I think we were created to create, I, I fully believe that and I feel I finally, I'm not saying this is the only thing I'm ever going to create. Obviously that's not what I'm saying, but I do feel I finally actually figured out something that was uniquely mine.
Lyndsey: To put out into That's awesome. The world and, um, oh yeah. Feel good about it and feel confident about it and feel it was a challenge and, and it's, to create is vulnerable. I mean, it's, you're, you're, the act of doing it takes confidence. So, you know, Hammond, Hammond was engaging in this active creation endeavor.
Lyndsey: I'm sure at the very beginning it was, is this even gonna work? Can we even do this like, Theoretically we've got this [00:50:00] and I'm sure a pre-cool would probably be so much more endearing than like one oh interest, a bloodbath of, you know, everyone getting in mud's life with dinosaurs. We have our first breakthrough, this, this, whatever.
Lyndsey: I don't even know the words, Jordan, but whatever thing they need to happen the first time when they're trying to do this. When that happens, I'm sure. It was really amazing and really inspiring and motivating. Yeah. And beautiful because they'd created life.
Jordan: Is he a tragic character in with his backstory considered?
Jordan: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Or Or is he this greedy, money hungry guy? They could paint him however, and we would tell clarity, right? That'd be, yeah, that'd be real. I think a prequel
Lyndsey: would be great. What if he's both? We don't like
Jordan: that one. Well, yeah, one would overshadow the other. To me, I don't know that a person filled with greed can ultimately be tragic.
Jordan: I don't know that I, I, I don't know that I like that I just drew this hard line. Mm-hmm. But if a person's, yeah, I'm, I'm fueled by [00:51:00] money. I'm fueled by, by power. I Interesting. I see what you're saying. And then they ultimately end up having a tragic result. I don't know that I care. I just think that that's a good end for a villain.
Jordan: Okay. You know, I'm not sad. Thanos died, you know? Right. Fair. But, but maybe that's unfair of me and maybe I, I say that as if there's no scenario where I could accept that is true. But of course, life has lived in the Cray. Right. So maybe there is.
Lyndsey: Yeah. I don't know. I dunno, prequel could be interesting or it could be hella boring, but it's just scientists in the lab.
Lyndsey: It might be, you know, I don't know. I, I really don't know. It could, I mean, it's, it's that idea of getting to understand that a b equals Jurassic Park thing. Yeah. And, you know, knowing that those scientists are so, they seem so pure in their passion for the science and the, the. The work that they're doing and the genetic work that they're doing and all that kind of thing, you know, and they don't really go into it in [00:52:00] much detail.
Lyndsey: But I'm curious what you would learn from something bad about genetic disorders and what you would be able to gain and extrapolate to other areas of biological science. You know, maybe there were a lot of really good things, but True we don't get into trolley
Jordan: problem that way. Yeah, right. Do you accept the Jurassic Park Island and whatever deaths happen on it?
Jordan: Mm-hmm. And exchange for. Figuring out how to fix, you know, genetic DNA disorders. Yeah, maybe. Probably. Yeah, probably the math is probably correct. Yeah. You would sacrifice a hundred to save a million. Yeah. You know, but do you, can you be the one to make that choice of stuff? Well, how does history judge those people, et cetera, you know?
Jordan: Mm-hmm.
Lyndsey: I don't know. Yeah.
Jordan: It's definitely been, I'm happy to be an MPC in the course of history. You know, there will never be a book written about me. None of my actions will be judged a hundred years from now. Yeah, it's
Lyndsey: fine. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that, and that's, you know, ham is trying to leave his mark [00:53:00] and he definitely does.
Jordan: Yes. There will be a book written about Hammond in that universe. Yeah,
Lyndsey: for sure. Probably several, actually. I think Ian, Ian Malcolm, Jeff Goldblum's character I think does write a book about Hammond, so, okay. He's, he's definitely got some book, I don't remember what it was about, but he's, Mr. Celebrity Die by the last movie, so.
Lyndsey: The one with all the bugs, but yeah, yeah. No, this is just, it's, it's good nostalgia. If you look at the film for what it is, it's Steven Spielberg who is always just delivering, and it's a simple plot. It's a very interesting premise. I will get behind a lot of weird movies if I'm, oh, someone thought of making a movie about that.
Lyndsey: That's very interesting. I would also to see how that plays out. So, you know, it's just this weird idea. That we're all kind of, oh, okay. And then it's well executed and it's engaging throughout, and the characters and the actors are all chewable or hateable and it's, it's just [00:54:00] a good movie. And if people haven't seen it, they really need to, because I don't think we actually gave away very many spoilers other than just the whole idea that things go awry.
Lyndsey: Yeah. Dinosaur Island bad. Dinosaur Island bad. But I think you probably knew that just by being alive today. So, but, Yeah. No, I know. We went,
Jordan: yeah. If you have access to a podcast player, you have access to the spoilers of Jurassic Park,
Lyndsey: right? You do. Yeah. If you're alive, you, yeah. Some movies don't get to, there's a statute of limitations on spoilers, I feel, and this one's definitely crossed it for sure.
Lyndsey: It's at least 30 years.
Jordan: It's at
Lyndsey: least 30 years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I feel this was a very different but equally fun to me conversation and I, I'm glad I, I had fun. I hope you had fun. I hope I wasn't too much of a downer. I know. I, I took, no, I took us to some dark places for a second.
Jordan: Well, no, the problem, the problem is, is I have no interest in climbing up out of those dark places.
Jordan: So we are a, [00:55:00] a toxic match, if not a fun one.
Lyndsey: Okay. I would always reach down and try to pull you back out. I would, I appreciate that. I, I I
Jordan: wouldn't let you, I take us as a, I take us as a Long Island iced tea. There's no way they should just be mixing all of these things together. But it's, it's a, it's at least a ride for the time that you Yeah.
Jordan: You experience it,
Lyndsey: so. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's good. Yeah. I, I've always appreciated your authenticity and your thoughtfulness in that authenticity, so I think. I think that is why we are able to, you said on paper, when you tell 19 year old us, Hey, these, these, these are gonna be your friends. And we'd be about what?
Lyndsey: But why?
Jordan: Yeah. What happened to all the other ones? Yeah, yeah,
Lyndsey: yeah. No, this was good. I always enjoy getting to talk to you. It's always great to see you. I always know we're going to probably, we're gonna be very honest and we're probably gonna laugh, so. Always down for that. Any [00:56:00] final thoughts on Jurassic Park or anything else you wanna say before we kind of wrap up the episode here?
Jordan: No, I don't think so. I think we talked around and through as much as a person reasonably could have routed Jurassic Park. So thanks for having me on. I really, I had a good time and I think I, I'm due for. A watch of the whole dress park series
Lyndsey: now, not just the first one. Yeah. Movie marathon. That would be fun.
Lyndsey: Here we go. I don't know if I've watched the new ones on our new soundbar yet. I think I need to do that. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that that's a good Saturday situation. Yep. Nice. Awesome. Well, thanks again for joining me. Thanks again for joining me today. I hope this maybe made you both laugh and think. I hope you'll spend some time thinking about some of the could versus should questions in your own life.
Lyndsey: I feel like, you know, in 2023, everyone on both side of the aisle tends to think about their rights and you know, in the US. We do in fact have the rights to do some pretty rude [00:57:00] and crappy things. Um, but should you. Think about the could versus shoulds. Also, maybe when it comes to your use of technology in habits, there is Instagram making you sad or mad.
Lyndsey: Maybe you don't use it then, or you know, if you're me. And that just felt like opting out of, you know, the society, so to speak, because that's where all your friends are. Um, maybe just find a different way to use it. Think about the ways you're using these things and, um, Be a little more intentional in your could versus shoulds, and I think we'll all be much happier and healthier.
Lyndsey: So with that, I hope you have a great rest of your day, and until next time, thanks.
